These 2 cases underscore the need to monitor closely the suicidal ideation & intent of the perpetrator. Describes the impact of suicide on the family & the victim. Gives some reasons for the suicide, e.g. publicity, jail time, disapproval of the community & extended family, & loss of control, sex & presence of family are often experienced as severely stressful & represent real loss, a threat on all psychic levels. Problems seem to remit well with brief counseling.